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The Axe is a melee weapon added by the Royalty DLC that primarily deals sharp damage.

Note: Although classified by the Ideoligion Weapon Preferences as a 'Melee Blunt' weapon along with weapons that predominately deal blunt damage, its primary attack deal sharp damage. It is unknown if this categorization is a bug or intended behavior.

Acquisition

Axes can be crafted at either a fueled or electric smithy once the Smithing research project has been completed. They require 50 Stuff (Metallic/Woody), 7,000 ticks (1.94 mins) of work, and a Crafting skill of 3.

Alternatively, axes can be purchased from any combat supplier or war merchant and found on raiders and some Empire pawns.

Analysis

The axe is roughly equal to the gladius and mace - all 3 weapons have the same material cost, crafting skill, and research requirements. Maces take 1,000 ticks (16.67 secs) less work, and gladii take 5,000 ticks (1.39 mins) more work. Reducing work will slightly reduce the Market Value of weapons.

Comparison to gladius

In raw stats: the gladius has +5.6% to raw DPS and very slightly more AP, after accounting for melee verb selection. This assumes same material and quality. Either weapon of a superior quality or material will be a better overall weapon.

But the primary difference is that the axe uses the Cut damage type to a greater extent (75%) than the gladius (37.5%). Cut damage has multiple interlocking mechanics that make comparison complex:

Cut damage has a large chance to cleave, spreading damage between multiple related body parts. Stabs will always hit a single target. This means that cleaves have a reduced chance to destroy each individual body part. However, if a cleave attack occurs, it is will deal x1.4 damage in total (spread equally throughout body parts).
If cut reduces a body part's damage to 0 HP, it is much more likely to destroy it. To always destroy the body part, Stab damage types must deal 70% more damage than HP is remaining on the bodypart, where as Cut damage types needs only 10% more.
Stab damage is more likely to hit the internal organs. In addition, stab damage receives no penalty for attacking the internals. This results in a higher one-shot chance.

If at least 28.1% of all cut attacks cleave, then the axe will be superior in raw DPS.^{[Verify Cleave %]} Regardless, the axe is more likely to destroy fingers and toes, while gladii seem to be more likely to destroy larger limbs.

Axes are definitely better against small animals, as the axe is more likely to destroy multiple low-HP body parts. Gladii are most likely better against mechanoids - mechs don't feel pain, increasing the value of limb destruction. The weapon that deals more average DPS will be better against humanoids of any armor. Note that this is theoretical and no explicit testing has been conducted.

Comparison to maces

Maces are blunt weapons. Maces have +3.9% raw DPS, but due to cleaving described above, the axe ends up being superior in average DPS. But like with the gladius comparison, there are big differences with their damage types.

"Armored" enemies tend to have much less Blunt armor than Sharp armor. For example, a set of recon armor has 96% Sharp but only 40% Blunt armor. Therefore, blunt weapons are better against armored enemies.
Blunt weapons have a superior form of damage propagation. Instead of being spread equally between parts like Cut damage, blunt damage attacks a single part - and only if the part would be destroyed, then overkill damage spreads to component parts. In addition, the mace swings slower but hits stronger. This results in maces being more likely than both the gladius and the axe in destroying large body parts.
If a blunt attack hits the torso or head, then the target will be stunned for a short time.

With steel weapons, or at lower qualities, the mace would be better against plate armor-level armor, and axes better against unarmored targets. However, higher quality uranium maces is likely better than high quality plasteel axes against any sort of human or human-sized enemy. A good uranium mace can one-shot the head or limbs.

Comparison to other weapons

Compared to more complex melee weapons, an axe is superior in raw DPS to a longsword at least 2 quality levels below. For instance, a legendary steel axe is better than an excellent steel longsword. Warhammers have very slightly more DPS than the axe (less than the mace), but are blunt and swing even slower; the comparison is similar to the mace, but more extreme.

Another potential use is for ideoligion with the Melee Blunt set as Noble weapons, providing a sharp-type weapon option that grants mood buffs instead of penalties.

Attack table

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Attacks
Quality

Axe				Handle (Poke)					Edge (Cut)					Human: Left & rigth fist (Blunt)					HP	Value
Quality	Material	DPS^[1]	AP^[1]	Dam.	Cool.	AP	DPS	Chance^[2]	Dam.	Cool.	AP	DPS	Chance^[2]	Dam.	Cool.	AP	DPS	Chance^[2]	HP	Value
Awful	Bioferrite	6.8	19.94%	6.48	2s	9.36%	3.24	8.33%	15.6	2s	22.88%	7.8	75%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 8.33%	200	50
Awful	Gold	4.36	12.77%	7.2	2s	10.4%	3.6	8.33%	9	2s	13.2%	4.5	75%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 8.33%	60	2510
Awful	Plasteel	7.08	17.3%	6.48	1.6s	9.36%	4.05	8.33%	13.2	1.6s	19.36%	8.25	75%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 8.33%	280	255
Awful	Silver	4.81	14.09%	7.2	2s	10.4%	3.6	8.33%	10.2	2s	14.96%	5.1	75%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 8.33%	70	265
Awful	Steel	5.48	16.07%	7.2	2s	10.4%	3.6	8.33%	12	2s	17.6%	6	75%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 8.33%	100	60
Awful	Uranium	5.62	17.82%	10.8	2.2s	15.6%	4.91	8.33%	13.2	2.2s	19.36%	6	75%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 8.33%	250	174
Awful	Wood	3.78	11.05%	6.48	2s	9.36%	3.24	12.5%	4.8	2s	7.04%	2.4	12.5%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 37.5%	65	39
Poor	Bioferrite	7.57	22.18%	7.29	2s	10.53%	3.65	8.33%	17.55	2s	25.74%	8.78	75%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 8.33%	200	75
Poor	Gold	4.82	14.11%	8.1	2s	11.7%	4.05	8.33%	10.13	2s	14.85%	5.06	75%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 8.33%	60	3765
Poor	Plasteel	7.87	19.21%	7.29	1.6s	10.53%	4.56	8.33%	14.85	1.6s	21.78%	9.28	75%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 8.33%	280	380
Poor	Silver	5.32	15.6%	8.1	2s	11.7%	4.05	8.33%	11.48	2s	16.83%	5.74	75%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 8.33%	70	395
Poor	Steel	6.08	17.83%	8.1	2s	11.7%	4.05	8.33%	13.5	2s	19.8%	6.75	75%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 8.33%	100	90
Poor	Uranium	6.24	19.8%	12.15	2.2s	17.55%	5.52	8.33%	14.85	2.2s	21.78%	6.75	75%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 8.33%	250	260
Poor	Wood	3.87	11.31%	7.29	2s	10.53%	3.65	12.5%	5.4	2s	7.92%	2.7	12.5%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 37.5%	65	58
Normal	Bioferrite	8.33	24.43%	8.1	2s	11.7%	4.05	8.33%	19.5	2s	28.6%	9.75	75%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 8.33%	200	101
Normal	Gold	5.28	15.46%	9	2s	13%	4.5	8.33%	11.25	2s	16.5%	5.63	75%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 8.33%	60	5025
Normal	Plasteel	8.65	21.13%	8.1	1.6s	11.7%	5.06	8.33%	16.5	1.6s	24.2%	10.31	75%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 8.33%	280	505
Normal	Silver	5.84	17.11%	9	2s	13%	4.5	8.33%	12.75	2s	18.7%	6.38	75%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 8.33%	70	525
Normal	Steel	6.68	19.58%	9	2s	13%	4.5	8.33%	15	2s	22%	7.5	75%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 8.33%	100	120
Normal	Uranium	6.86	21.78%	13.5	2.2s	19.5%	6.14	8.33%	16.5	2.2s	24.2%	7.5	75%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 8.33%	250	350
Normal	Wood	3.81	11.13%	8.1	2s	11.7%	4.05	25%	6	2s	8.8%	3	25%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 25%	65	78
Good	Bioferrite	9.1	26.67%	8.91	2s	12.87%	4.46	8.33%	21.45	2s	31.46%	10.73	75%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 8.33%	200	126
Good	Gold	5.74	16.8%	9.9	2s	14.3%	4.95	8.33%	12.38	2s	18.15%	6.19	75%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 8.33%	60	5525
Good	Plasteel	9.43	23.04%	8.91	1.6s	12.87%	5.57	8.33%	18.15	1.6s	26.62%	11.34	75%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 8.33%	280	630
Good	Silver	6.36	18.62%	9.9	2s	14.3%	4.95	8.33%	14.03	2s	20.57%	7.01	75%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 8.33%	70	655
Good	Steel	7.28	21.34%	9.9	2s	14.3%	4.95	8.33%	16.5	2s	24.2%	8.25	75%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 8.33%	100	150
Good	Uranium	7.48	23.75%	14.85	2.2s	21.45%	6.75	8.33%	18.15	2.2s	26.62%	8.25	75%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 8.33%	250	435
Good	Wood	4.3	12.46%	8.91	2s	12.87%	4.46	75%	6.6	2s	9.68%	3.3	8.33%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 8.33%	65	97
Excellent	Bioferrite	9.86	28.91%	9.72	2s	14.04%	4.86	8.33%	23.4	2s	34.32%	11.7	75%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 8.33%	200	151
Excellent	Gold	6.2	18.15%	10.8	2s	15.6%	5.4	8.33%	13.5	2s	19.8%	6.75	75%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 8.33%	60	6025
Excellent	Plasteel	10.22	24.95%	9.72	1.6s	14.04%	6.08	8.33%	19.8	1.6s	29.04%	12.38	75%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 8.33%	280	760
Excellent	Silver	6.87	20.13%	10.8	2s	15.6%	5.4	8.33%	15.3	2s	22.44%	7.65	75%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 8.33%	70	790
Excellent	Steel	7.88	23.1%	10.8	2s	15.6%	5.4	8.33%	18	2s	26.4%	9	75%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 8.33%	100	180
Excellent	Uranium	8.11	25.73%	16.2	2.2s	23.4%	7.36	8.33%	19.8	2.2s	29.04%	9	75%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 8.33%	250	520
Excellent	Wood	4.63	13.41%	9.72	2s	14.04%	4.86	75%	7.2	2s	10.56%	3.6	8.33%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 8.33%	65	116
Masterwork	Bioferrite	12.07	35.34%	11.75	2s	16.97%	5.87	25%	28.28	2s	41.47%	14.14	75%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 0%	200	250
Masterwork	Gold	7.34	21.51%	13.05	2s	18.85%	6.53	8.33%	16.31	2s	23.93%	8.16	75%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 8.33%	60	7025
Masterwork	Plasteel	13.05	30.56%	11.75	1.6s	16.97%	7.34	25%	23.93	1.6s	35.09%	14.95	75%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 0%	280	1265
Masterwork	Silver	8.16	23.91%	13.05	2s	18.85%	6.53	8.33%	18.49	2s	27.12%	9.24	75%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 8.33%	70	1315
Masterwork	Steel	9.38	27.5%	13.05	2s	18.85%	6.53	8.33%	21.75	2s	31.9%	10.88	75%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 8.33%	100	300
Masterwork	Uranium	9.67	30.67%	19.58	2.2s	28.28%	8.9	8.33%	23.93	2.2s	35.09%	10.88	75%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 8.33%	250	870
Masterwork	Wood	5.45	15.79%	11.75	2s	16.97%	5.87	75%	8.7	2s	12.76%	4.35	8.33%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 8.33%	65	194
Legendary	Bioferrite	13.74	40.22%	13.37	2s	19.31%	6.68	25%	32.18	2s	47.19%	16.09	75%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 0%	200	500
Legendary	Gold	8.26	24.21%	14.85	2s	21.45%	7.43	8.33%	18.56	2s	27.23%	9.28	75%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 8.33%	60	8025
Legendary	Plasteel	14.85	34.77%	13.37	1.6s	19.31%	8.35	25%	27.23	1.6s	39.93%	17.02	75%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 0%	280	2525
Legendary	Silver	9.19	26.93%	14.85	2s	21.45%	7.43	8.33%	21.04	2s	30.86%	10.52	75%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 8.33%	70	2625
Legendary	Steel	10.58	31.01%	14.85	2s	21.45%	7.43	8.33%	24.75	2s	36.3%	12.38	75%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 8.33%	100	600
Legendary	Uranium	10.91	34.63%	22.28	2.2s	32.18%	10.13	8.33%	27.23	2.2s	39.93%	12.38	75%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 8.33%	250	1740
Legendary	Wood	6.11	17.69%	13.37	2s	19.31%	6.68	75%	9.9	2s	14.52%	4.95	8.33%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 8.33%	65	390

^{For the full effects of qualities, see Quality.}

↑ ^1.0 ^1.1 Note: This is the actual base average derived from the melee verb system updated in 1.1.2610, it may sometimes disagree with the listed value in the in-game infobox.
It may also change depending on the stats and the melee verbs available to the wielder if the weapon is wielded by some other than a baseline human.
↑ Chance for attack to be selected, assuming the weapon is wielded by a baseline human. It may change depending on the melee verbs available to the wielder

Version history

Royalty DLC Release - Added.

Weapons

Melee | Neolithic: Breach axe • Club • Ikwa • Knife (Jade) • Spear

Medieval: Gladius • Longsword • Mace • Axe • Warhammer

Ultra: Eltex staff • Monosword (Persona) • Plasmasword (Persona) • Zeushammer (Persona)

Improvised: Beer • Elephant tusk • Thrumbo horn • Wood

Ranged | Neolithic: Greatbow • Pila • Recurve bow • Short bow • Flamebow

Industrial: Assault rifle • Autopistol • Bolt-action rifle • Chain shotgun • Heavy SMG • Launcher (EMP, Incendiary, Smoke, Toxbomb ) • LMG • Machine pistol • Minigun • Pump shotgun • Revolver • Sniper rifle

Spacer: Charge lance • Charge rifle

Consumables: Doomsday rocket launcher • Triple rocket launcher

Throwables: EMP grenades • Frag grenades • Molotov cocktails • Tox grenades

Mechanoid: Heavy charge blaster • Inferno cannon • Needle gun • Thump cannon • Beam graser • Charge blaster turret • Hellsphere cannon • Mini-flameblaster • Mini-shotgun • Slugthrower • Spiner • Toxic needle gun

Structures: Autocannon • Mini-turret gun • Mortar (Weapon) • Uranium slug cannon • Auto-mortar • Inferno cannon (Turret) • Light charge blaster • Mini-slugger • Tactical turret gun

[Actual-1] 1.0 ^1.1 Note: This is the actual base average derived from the melee verb system updated in 1.1.2610, it may sometimes disagree with the listed value in the in-game infobox.
It may also change depending on the stats and the melee verbs available to the wielder if the weapon is wielded by some other than a baseline human.

[Chance-2] Chance for attack to be selected, assuming the weapon is wielded by a baseline human. It may change depending on the melee verbs available to the wielder

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 ===Comparison to gladius===
-<!-- Cut v Stab sources: https://steamcommunity.com/app/294100/discussions/0/3042732243097084212 & https://steamcommunity.com/app/294100/discussions/0/3111394035968026504 -->
+<!-- Cut v Stab sources: https://steamcommunity.com/app/294100/discussions/0/3042732243097084212 & https://steamcommunity.com/app/294100/discussions/0/3111394035968026504 . Also yes x1.4 cleaving multiplier exists, test it yourself with a plasteel knife -->
 In raw stats: the gladius has {{+|{{%|(7.13 / 6.75) - 1 round 3}} }} to raw {{DPS}} and very slightly more {{AP}}, after accounting for melee verb selection. This assumes same material and [[quality]]. Either weapon of a superior quality or material will be a better overall weapon.
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 * Cut damage has a large chance to ''cleave'', spreading damage between multiple related body parts.  Stabs will always hit a single target. This means that cleaves have a reduced chance to destroy each individual body part. However, if a cleave attack occurs, it is will deal x1.4 damage in total (spread equally throughout body parts).
 * If cut reduces a body part's damage to 0 HP, it is much more likely to destroy it. To always destroy the body part, [[Damage Type#Stab|Stab]] damage types must deal 70% more damage than HP is remaining on the bodypart, where as [[Damage Type#Cut|Cut]] damage types needs only 10% more.
-If at least {{%| ( (1.4) <!--+% damage from cleave--> / (7.13 / 6.75) <!--Gladius' higher DPS--> - 1 ) / 0.5 <!--For the "best" melee attack, gladius 50% as likely to cut. "Mid" attacks are exactly equal.--> round 3}} of ''all'' cut attacks cleave, then the axe will be superior in raw DPS.{{Check Tag|Verify Cleave %}} Regardless, the axe is more likely to destroy fingers and toes, while gladii seem to be more likely to destroy larger limbs.
+* Stab damage is more likely to hit the internal organs. In addition, stab damage receives no penalty for attacking the internals. This results in a higher one-shot chance.
-* Stab damage is more likely to hit the internal organs. In addition, stab damage receives no penalty for attacking the internals, resulting in a higher one-shot chance.
+If at least {{%| ((7.13 / 6.75) - 1) <!--Gladius' higher DPS, conv. to %--> / (0.4) <!-- Extra % dmg from cleave --> / 0.5 <!--For the "best" melee attack, gladius 50% as likely to cut. "Mid" attacks are exactly equal.--> round 3}} of ''all'' cut attacks cleave, then the axe will be superior in raw DPS.{{Check Tag|Verify Cleave %|Comparison changes based the % chance}}  Regardless, the axe is more likely to destroy fingers and toes, while gladii seem to be more likely to destroy larger limbs.
 Axes are definitely better against small [[animal]]s, as the axe is more likely to destroy multiple low-HP body parts. Gladii are most likely better against [[mechanoid]]s - mechs don't feel [[pain]], increasing the value of limb destruction. The weapon that deals more average DPS will be better against humanoids of any armor. Note that this is theoretical and no explicit testing has been conducted.