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What you are witnessing here is a conflict with two fronts, the primary being “Procedural-Policies” and the secondary being “Conceptual-Content”. (Legend: Blue box is without me/Green box is with me)

Gottoni is weak on both fronts, and the lack of knowledge on both fields is causing havoc due to his reckless behavior. Going on a chronological sequence:

His very first contribution to this wiki is already incorrect:

This “Procedure (1)” is INCORRECT: because he “Orphaned” the first file unnecessarily, which he should have just uploaded a new version instead.


All the month of August, there’s no communications available due to Ludeon updating the talk pages, I inform you about the issue at hand and we have to wait for around two weeks to have the dialogue feature restored. During this period of time, I wanted to express concern about the Ship images lacking the Planning Grid which is very convenient for visual count of space when not specified in written. File:Ship.png

And of course during this communication black-out period he was already altering the content of these three guides: Colony Guide, Ice Sheet, Extreme Desert.

In this process, he broke “Edit Policy (2)” (which I assumed Good Faith mistakenly) of Major Changes:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Editing_policy#Be_cautious_with_major_changes:_discuss

Mind you, I could have restored the originals at any time, but out of courtesy, I waited for communications to come back up in order to properly make fixes with notifications messages. But my intervention comes later ahead.

Let’s take a look at Colony Guide page “History”: https://rimworldwiki.com/index.php?title=Colony_Building_Guide&action=history

Participants are PigeonGuru, ZombieElvis and Gottoni. I’m not contributing there myself. At first glance from the RC, the page activity looks relatively “normal”, and the first minor disagreements start to pop-up from August 21st.

The first talk is generated at PigeonGuru talk page which was later on, entitled: “Image Consensus” https://rimworldwiki.com/wiki/User_talk:PigeonGuru#ImageConsensus.

Of course, the title was edited and this is the original start: https://rimworldwiki.com/index.php?title=Topic:Un04zgoditjgn7nx&topic_postId=un04zgojrba1zyj1&topic_revId=un04zgojrba1zyj1&action=single-view

By 22nd Revert Wars happen but there is still no talks between opposing parties. Note: These three should have started discussing in the talk page of the Colony Guide instead. From the “Content-Conceptual (3)” angle: disagreements range from placing for table and chairs, the killbox, temperature control, bedrooms, prison, cover section, hospital.


Pictures get removed without any dialogue:

…and get re-added later on…


Disagreements keep showing up:

Then I finally show up myself a full month afterwards on September 17th and not particularly versus Gottoni.

So… whatever the quarrels here, I’m not involved in the heat myself.

Which I could have, but through Discord, I told PigeonGuru I wasn’t interested much into overseeing guides at the moment, because the build Version 1.0 feels very broken to me, it has so many problems to the point that we should wait until the next game update instead.


It is on the same August 22nd that we also start to witness Gottoni with maintenance templates:


…and now, Gottoni jumps to the Extreme Desert Guide…

With another “Major changes” policy infraction (4).


On the next day 23rd, without any consultations to the rest of the Community, we start to see listings removals too:

Two days later, on the 25th, we see another “Edit Policy” breach (5), now on Ice Sheet Guide:


Policy infractions number 3 and 4, I’m not involved directly in any of both cases. The number (5) is the one I intervene. Now the Ice Sheet Guide is different than the other two, because it was not “Community-made” guide but it was “User-exclusive-made”, and by myself of course. There is an author, unlike the others which cannot be attributed to a single person.

Here you will notice a different approach as opposed to both PigeonGure and ZombieElvis, because unlike the others, I do engage into discussions both in the respective page and in Gottoni’s talk page. Which is the CORRECT way to solve disputes. Until now neither of the other two had formerly addressed their own conflicts versus Gottoni. “Conceptual-Content” (6).

Now by Wiki Standards, whenever a Discussion is generated, the common procedure is to completely “HALT” live-edits in the mainspace and “ONLY” edit the talk page until a “CONSENSUS” is properly formed. And while I attempt to resolve the dispute “Procedural-Policy (7)”,…

… something unexpected happens: PigeonGuru brings a “BOMB”.

PigeonGuru: “I'll give you the green light in terms of applying some of the changes, seeing that we are already in 1.0.”


The PigeonGuru Bomb, completely undermines my own effort by:

1.- Giving “Green Light” before any consensus was ever reached.

2.- Tells Gottoni it’s okay to “keep reverting”.


At which point it is clearly self-exposed to the public that PigeonGuru does NOT understand what Consensus means, is, how it is attained, how it works. (So technically speaking, we don’t have one problem, but two instead.) This is very critical, because in all these years and wikis I have been around, this was the first ever moment when I witness a “Moderator” who is not acquainted with “CONSENSUS”, which is the backbone-DNA of all Wikis, the very foundation stone on which we stand. How come another Moderator “overruns” my own directives towards Gottoni? Under what criteria gives Green Light? And of course, by telling; “Keep reverting”, we are sent back to the instance prior opening discussion and back to war. And Gottoni kept on going in a rampage.
The chance to debate the situation was “Blown off the table”

Some time passes by, two months, and now we get the Sea Ice Guide, to which I open another discussion:

But in the end, we can’t stop the madness. The bigger problem of all is the primary “Policy-Procedure” (8) constant infractions because every Gottoni edit is:

  • Made Impulsively and placed by “Force” instead of community-wide cooperation/consented.
  • Discussion are not being opened and “hard-edits” are done e.g.: page blanking / complete revamps / no considerations taken. Basically Gottoni is doing whatever he wants to do regardless of Policy/Rules, massive reverts everywhere and zero knowledge/understanding of common wiki-practices.


What we need New Users to do, is to make inquires when in doubt, example case: Topic:Usc0ctmxu8qibde5. Of course, this will feel unfair extra load to beginners, but every veteran here "will" have the natural tendency to perform faster due to our familiarity with policies, guidelines and Wiki-Fu. Gottoni needs to start from zero instead of trying to match the abilities of long time contributors.

15:42, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

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