Editing Template talk:Apparel Material Table

== Tables should be sorted at some pages ==

Examples: [[Duster#Material_table]], [[Parka#Material_table]].

I would consider removing the templates and sort things manually if this isn't possible with MediaWiki... [[User:Pawn|Pawn]] ([[User talk:Pawn|talk]]) 12:04, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

: What? It is sorted alphabetically be material? [[User:Harakoni|Harakoni (Wiki Moderator)]] ([[User talk:Harakoni|talk]]) 12:07, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
:: I don't mean alphabetically.
:: Sort by heat insulation for Duster and cold insulation for Parka.
:: [[User:Pawn|Pawn]] ([[User talk:Pawn|talk]]) 12:20, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
::: You can do that by left clicking on the headings. All the columns are sortable. [[User:Harakoni|Harakoni (Wiki Moderator)]] ([[User talk:Harakoni|talk]]) 13:36, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
:::: I know this. Tables should be presorted and users shouldn't click anything to the see the most sensible sorting for some topic.
:::: MediaWiki wasn't great long time ago in this regard.
:::: I don't know about now... [[User:Pawn|Pawn]] ([[User talk:Pawn|talk]]) 13:51, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
::::: The template could be changed to make it sorted in other ways, or sorted based on the specific item or class of item its called for, or it can be manually set for each or specific pages. However, there is no point in making it inconsistent across pages when different items will have different nominal "important stats" especially when a reader may not have the same priorities as you or may just want to check the stats of a specific item. For example, you identify heat insulation as the important stat for Dusters, but for a large part of the player base dusters are used primarily as additional armor over a flak vest and sorting by sharp armor would be ideal for them. Its better to just let the reader sort how they like and be consistent when they don't [[User:Harakoni|Harakoni (Wiki Moderator)]] ([[User talk:Harakoni|talk]]) 14:13, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
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 :::: I don't know about now... [[User:Pawn|Pawn]] ([[User talk:Pawn|talk]]) 13:51, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
 ::::: The template could be changed to make it sorted in other ways, or sorted based on the specific item or class of item its called for, or it can be manually set for each or specific pages. However, there is no point in making it inconsistent across pages when different items will have different nominal "important stats" especially when a reader may not have the same priorities as you or may just want to check the stats of a specific item. For example, you identify heat insulation as the important stat for Dusters, but for a large part of the player base dusters are used primarily as additional armor over a flak vest and sorting by sharp armor would be ideal for them. Its better to just let the reader sort how they like and be consistent when they don't [[User:Harakoni|Harakoni (Wiki Moderator)]] ([[User talk:Harakoni|talk]]) 14:13, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
-:::::: I see no problem with having more than one table which are presorted in a sensible way.
-:::::: These tables had 5 columns at most so 5 tables isn't too crazy in my opinion. [[User:Pawn|Pawn]] ([[User talk:Pawn|talk]]) 14:21, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
-::::::: I don't see the problem, as tables can be sorted whichever way a user wants anyway? And for a default sorting, it makes most sense to have it alphabetically like right now, as different users will have different preferences -- not least depending on what biome you play on (in this case with dusters). Or in increasing rarity/sturdiness I suppose, when I look at materials. It's similar to in-game, which makes sense here IMO. [[User:Pangaea|Pangaea]] ([[User talk:Pangaea|talk]]) 14:46, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
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-::::::: Do you mean per page or as templates? Because the latter has already been addressed, and per page absolutely not, they're already resource hogs, don't play nice with mobile users and make the pages long. Its not even close to worth it for the user to not have to spend half a second clicking a heading. Hell, it'd take longer for them to find the table they want. [[User:Harakoni|Harakoni (Wiki Moderator)]] ([[User talk:Harakoni|talk]]) 00:32, 10 October 2022 (UTC)